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CHAOS/Daley College Partnership

Daley College is in the process of creating a craft beer curriculum at their college and would like for our club to help them make this happen. The college is developing a curriculum for students to obtain a certificate in craft brewing, which we'll be consulting on. While that's being put together, they have asked us to create a seven week, two hour class that teaches the basics of brewing, beer styles, and sensory evaluation. Similar to what Kyle and I did with the BJCP class: 2016-2017CHAOSBJCPClassSchedule-4.docx

The classes will be held on Tuesdays, with the first two classes at Daley College, while the remaining five will be held at the brewhouse to begin on January 23, 2018. (We will work around Monthly Meetings/TuesdayBrewsday.) They would like to do a second session to begin on March 20, 2018. They are asking for us to provide two instructors for the course, who may apply here: https://cccconnect.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl?job=DAL0000828&lang=en#.WhBWVEYmkgk.email

Three things about the announcement:

1) It mentions distilling which I have asked them to remove.

2) They haven't provided me with the announcement's closing date, but I'll post that as soon as they send it.

3) The announcement is a public one, so it's open to anyone looking for it. As the class will be held at the brewhouse, at least one of the instructors will need to be a CHAOS member, so members will be given priority in the hiring process. Please PM me if you apply, so I can let them know who to look for.

The money we'll see for the club is broken down into $50 for class supplies and another $99 for the two instructors. At last week's meeting we agreed that the $99 should be donated to the club. The fact that we're a non-profit, makes this essential. None of us can make money off the club anyway. So, the instructors will be volunteers. The two sessions will raise $3600 for the club, which is pretty freaking awesome!

If you have any questions about the two sessions, please do not hesitate to ask.

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Is that $50 per class for

Is that $50 per class for supplies? 

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$50 per student with 18

$50 per student with 18 students.

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Got it. So 18 * 50 / 7 =

Got it. So 18 * 50 / 7 = class expenses per class. 

And, to me, it seems a little shady about the money for the instructors thing. CHAOS isn't making the money, the instructor is for their time and talent offered, just like any job.. It's a public job offering, right? So why wouldn't someone want to get paid? 

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I wasn't trying to be shady,

I wasn't trying to be shady, we agreed to that at the meeting. If you guys think it's fine for the instructors to keep the money, then that works, too.

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Its fine for us to decide

Its fine for us to decide that we'd prefer that the instructors contribute their pay to the club, but it isn't something that *has* to happen because of our not-for-profit status.  CHAOS isn't paying anyone, the city colleges are.  Even if CHAOS were paying the instructors, that's ok, not-for-profits can pay employees (hence my career LOL).

In other words, its our choice, not something we have to do one way or the other.  Personally, I think it would be a nice thing for the instructors to do, but not something the club should decide - something for the instructors to decide.  

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As far as dollars, the $3,600

As far as dollars, the $3,600 is the gross income, if I'm understanding it correctly.  We'll be taking on expenses - the $50 is for supplies, which we will need to buy or supply.  If we can use some of the free Muntons grains, great.  But in any case, whoever ends up running the classes may want to estimate the expenses we'll incur and subtract that from the $3,600 to come up with the net income for the club.  

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Yes, that's more eloquently

Yes, that's more eloquently worded that my quip last night. There's just incorrect information in Jeff's post, which should be addressed. 

With regard to the issue at hand though, it just equates it as sort of an "unpaid internship" type role in my mind, and that's just super uncool in my book. 

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The $3600 is not counting the

The $3600 is not counting the $50 for supplies. There won't be any brewing involved with this class, that will come with the more formal curriculum they're developing and we'll definitely have to work with them on costs for brewing supplies, plus, perhaps, trial memberships for the students.

For these two seven week sessions. there will be ingredient samples needed for the sessions about ingredients and the brewing process, but that cost will be minimal. The $50/student will cover the beer needed for the styles classes. I'm going to donate the off flavor kits.

Kyle makes a great case for using the $99 as compensation for whoever will be teaching the sessions. The two instructors will be splitting that, so let's just leave donating it to the club their choice.  As this will certainly be a big, time consuming, I'm totally fine with that.

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Update: They will keep the

Update: They will keep the posting open until December 10th. Also, distilling has been removed from the job description:

https://cccconnect.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl?job=DAL0000828&lang=en#.Wh3DjhqI3JY.email

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Daley College has created a

Daley College has created a flier for the first round of classes:

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That looks so damn sexy!

That looks so damn sexy!

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Nice!

Nice!

The emperor is not as forgiving as i am

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Those moderately transparent

Those moderately transparent chemicals in the background got me all....nm. 

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Haha! I thought you'd

Haha! I thought you'd appreciate that.