The Bondy Barrel Imperial Red Ale

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The Bondy Barrel Imperial Red Ale

Imperial Red Ale in the Bondy Barrel

15 # 2 Row

3 # Munich

1 # 4.0 oz Caramel Malt - 80L

1# Carapils

1.00 oz Warrior [15.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min

0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min 

0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min

Wyeast 1728 Scottish two smack packs

(or one smack pack and a stir plate)

The barrel is cleaned and ready to go I just need 1 more brewer.

Derek √

Derek √ 

Bill      √ $

Daniel √ $

David  

Kyle   √ $

Tommy 

Collin   √

Stephen √

Adam  √ $

Kevin   √ $


The Imperial Red needs to be brewed by March 10 to fill the barrel on March 24.

I went through the trouble of pre-purchasing and weighing out the specialty grains and hops.  The grains are in a box labeled bondy barrel in the grain room, you can grab 3 packs of munch and a bag of the caramel 80 with the carapils inside it.  The hops are in the freezer in a white bag, rubber banded in zip lock bags.  The cost is $13 per batch. derek.bondy@gmail.com to paypal it.

2 row and yeast you supply, a starter for this brew is a must as well.

see the attach beersmith, xml or pdf (although the pdf brewsheet is for my set up, so alter accordingly)


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Dan and I agreed when filling

Dan and I agreed when filling that there was good consistency among batches upon filling.  Diacetyl can also occur from bacteria...most likely the deal here.  Because of the high alcohol content, yeast, unless in high cell count cannot function in that environment.  The only thought idea I had was to krausen the beer before bottling.  We'll see I guess.  This is nobody's fault but mine for not cleaning the barrel soon or well enough perhaps.  Just gonna let this shiz sit and we'll see.

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any chance this will

any chance this will dissipate over time in the barrel? There should be some yeast at the bottom that can help pull the diacetyl out, no?

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Shit, probably got pulled off

Shit, probably got pulled off the yeast too soon.

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I put this beer in a couple

I put this beer in a couple of days ago.  The barrel is now filled to the brim.  I also took a tasting, the beer itself tastes terrific, however, as Dave helped point out, there is a quite strong scent of diacetyl (buttery popcorn off-flavor).  This is a pretty big flaw when having your beer judged, but some people enjoy the aroma.  Comes off better in an imperial red than it does in a lager, that's for sure.

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I brewed six gallons of

I brewed six gallons of filler last week, uk 2-row and warrior hops.  It should be close enough done fermenting for me to dump it in.  Cheers.

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there's the possibility I'll

there's the possibility I'll brew to fill this barrel.  We're risking a lot by keeping so much headspace unfilled.

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Awesome, thanks Daniel!

Awesome, thanks Daniel!

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it made it in.  Also, you

it made it in.  Also, you left a hydrometer in it.  It's now in our hydrometer drawer in the office.

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Anybody know if my Imperial

Anybody know if my Imperial Red made it inside the Barrel?  I'm getting a bit worried about it.

Kevin Saberniak

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Did you guys find my

Did you guys find my contribution to the Imperial Red? I'm brewing right now and  just realized that the tag I had on it is actually here on my primary fermentation bucket, not the one at the brew house.  There was actually no tag on the bucket I left in the fermentation room.  It was in an Ale Pale bucket.

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I like that Bill!

I like that Bill!

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Anybody have any good name

Anybody have any good name suggestions? How about Chaotic Imperial Red Ale?

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Yes. Most seemed like 4.5 or

Yes. Most seemed like 4.5 or 4.75.  It went pretty well.  I'll brew a filler beer, if anyone else has time or wants to they're welcome.  Daniel and I tasted the batches and I think we agreed there was very good uniformity as well.

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it went well. but there's

it went well. but there's about 7 gallons of headspace.  Derek said he'll try and brew for it in about a week.  We basically just need someone to ferment a weak beer (1030-1050).  If I get time I might brew something up, but I don't know if that's going to happen any earlier than a week. 

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yeah.  I'm sure this one will

yeah.  I'm sure this one will be short...  We can add boiled water or freshly fermented wort.  Or someone can volunteer to brew a new batch.  Either way, it needs to be decided quickly and done quickly.  We can talk about it today.

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Also if u want to use the

Also if u want to use the pump it is in the office.  just run some star san through it when done...and dont let it run dry for more than a few seconds. oh and of course you need to prime the pump - its a march 809 hs pump.

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i cant make it.  I am out of

i cant make it.  I am out of town today...

as for my batch i was a little low because i ran out of time.  I didnt get to boil off all that i wanted.  so i have 7 to 7.5 gallons...which should help for short batches.  had i boiled down i would have hit the numbers...but instead my gravity was 1090.  I tried it last night and thought it was good despite being low.  its in a bucket towards the front labeled "imp red".

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I'll be there around 3.

I'll be there around 3.

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lol.  This is short notice.

lol.  This is short notice.  I get off work at 2:30.  I can be there at three ish.

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I cannot make it this

I cannot make it this saturday for the barrel filling.  I dropped my contribution to the barrel at the brew house.  It is in the fermentation room.  There is a tag on the bucket that reads "Scottish 60" and my name on it.  Ignore the Scottish 60 part I forgot to change the tag.  

OG: 1.100

FG: 1.022

Note: I only got about 4 gallons when I transferred my beer from the primary to the secondary.  I had 1 gallon of yeast cake at the bottom of the primary.  Now i know to brew extra when doing high gravity beers.  Live and learn.

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March 31st, 3:00 Brewhouse,

March 31st, 3:00 Brewhouse, fill-the-barrel!!!

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I would also like to have my

I would also like to have my carboy back...

   I think the dollar means we've paid.

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No, Thomas Thorpe.

No, Thomas Thorpe.

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No, I'd like to be there to

No, I'd like to be there to fill it.  I'll brew it this sunday.  Can we fill it on saturday the 31st around 6. Can you be there for that?

Kyle Arnold said:

Why doesn't someone else just brew the last batch and we fill it with out you. We should wait another month to fill this thing.

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Why doesn't someone else just

Why doesn't someone else just brew the last batch and we fill it with out you. We should wait another month to fill this thing.

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Bill, I totally understand.

Bill, I totally understand.  Tommy just wasn't able to brew his batch.  I think I'm going to have to end up brewing the last batch.  I am in school the next two weeks at siebel. I am busy and or out of town till april 21. Thanks for being the first to brew.  I would be happy to lend you a 5 gal carboy, sorry about the timing on all this.

Bill said:

When is this barrel getting filled?  I've had a carboy tied up with this project for about 6 weeks now.  I'd like to get busy brewing and using all of my carboys before I'm too busy to brew in the summer...when I want to have beer on hand.  Thanks.

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Who is supposed to brewing

Who is supposed to brewing the final batch?

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No Barrel filling this

No Barrel filling this weekend.  We're still short one batch.  I'm really busy the next 3 weeks, so tell your friends...

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brewed this today.  It's now

brewed this today.  It's now fermenting...

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Derek, are you still planning

Derek, are you still planning on filling the barrel 3/24?  If so, what time so I know what time to have my 5 gallons at the brew house by. 

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thanks yo!

thanks yo!

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Derek, I just sent you the

Derek, I just sent you the money via PayPal.

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how much did you sparge?  I

how much did you sparge?  I think we should start keeping records of all these Barrel brews, notes on grain to water mash ratio, sparge amount, mash amount, etc... Just to try and track the best methods, especially on these big beers. 

 

I think I'll print out a sheet to fill out for my Bourbon County barrel.

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My pre boil volume was around

My pre boil volume was around 7 gallons.

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not bad kevin!  What was your

not bad kevin!  What was your preboil volume? 

 

Also, are we still looking for one more person for this barrel is tommy still brewing for it?

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Just got done brewing.  Got 1

Just got done brewing.  Got 1.100 for my starting gravity.

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oh... After reading the

oh... After reading the directions again I see that the mash temp was spose to be 152.  I went for higher to get a thicker beer overall since it was a big beer.  Oh well.  So yeah, you won't need as high as 172, but I would still say 168-170 instead of 166 that is listed.  It all depends on your system, though.  I was using Dave's mash tun with 8 gallons of strike water and preheated the mashtun with a small amount of hot water to avoid losing degrees through absorption.

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Mash and sparge a lot.  I

Mash and sparge a lot.  I personally will typically plan to boil off 6 gallons worth total when doing a big beer.  I spose it's possible to get better numbers through less cumbersome methods.  Certainly it's not a boil off I could do from home but only with the equipment at the brew house.  I use either my brew pot or niilos and then use niilo's shorter burner.  That's the best combination.  Also, if you're in the brewhouse, kick on the fan in the upper right corner near the burners occassionally to help the movement of humidity out of the brewhouse and off your boiling beer. 

My schedule went something like this:  Mash with 8 gallons of water, get 5 out of the grain (lose three through grain absorption), then sparge with 6 gallons.  You'll be running off at something like 1012 at the end of that. 

I also mash for 90 minutes. 

Another tip, your strike water will need to be significantly warmer than usual for you to hit the accurate temperature.  For instance, I think my strike temperature was something like 172 or something to hit 154-156.

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Kevin,

Kevin,

When I brew a high gravity beer, I need to adjust my effiency to 60%.  It depends on your brewing set up and gear.  I usually have to add a few pounds of base malt.  There isn't a number in between those commas.  Beersmith on the mac is kinda glitchy.  Stir well, and drain and lauter slowly.  You have to make a starter.  I'm sure the other brewers might have some good suggestions as well.

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I'm brewing this tomorrow.  I

I'm brewing this tomorrow.  I noticed on the BeerSmith cheat sheet it says under mash steps " Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 3.56gal) of 168.0 F.  Is there suppose to be a number in between those 2 commas?  Also, anybody have any tips on how to hit the 1.103 SG?  This will be my first high gravity beer.

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He sent me a message today

He sent me a message today telling me he had something come up. I saw his reservation last week, so I assumed he brewed it.

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what is wrong with tommy's ? 

what is wrong with tommy's ?  There's a check by his name?

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Alright. Thanks Daniel.

Alright. Thanks Daniel.  Sounds good to me.  We just need a brewer to take Tommy's spot.

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derek, it's your barrel so

derek, it's your barrel so ultimately you can make the decisions on this but I'll just throw in my 2 cents as someone who brewed for the barrel.  I think that we have to take what we can get since there aren't a lot of people jumping on this at the moment.  I think there will be some residual fermentation taking place if we use a 6 day old batch, but that's almost to be expected anyways.  I think as long as we use an airlock on the barrel for a few days after barreling instead of the bung, then we'll be ok.  I've used an airlock on barrels before and it works fine.  The better bottle plastic things I think fit ok.  I'd recommend using one initially instead of a bung anyways.  Keep the bung in a mason jar filled with cheap spirits to preserve it and then replace after a week or two.  My first barrel pressurized and when I took the bung out the first time it blew its gasket and vomited beer everywhere and I've been using airlocks ever since at least for the first few weeks of barreling.

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6 days isn't quite enough

6 days isn't quite enough time is it?

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Derek, I dont think I am

Derek, I dont think I am going to be able to have this brewed by the 10th after looking at my calendar.  The only day I can do this is the 18th...which only gives about 6 days of fermentation.  Are you okay with that?  I can offer up my spot to someone else if you have other people that are eager to brew for this.

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very nice!

very nice!

Kyle Arnold said:

I brewed mine up on Saturday. OG was 1.103.

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I brewed mine up on Saturday.

I brewed mine up on Saturday. OG was 1.103.

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Yes, March 24th.

Yes, March 24th.

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Kevin and Adam,

Kevin and Adam,

thanks for brewing this!  Paypal would be great, Kevin. The specialty grains and hops are all there (grain room and freezer in ziplocks.)

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